Hyung-ki Joo talks about humor in music, his career, and the Menuhin Competition

Hyung-ki Joo has devoted his creative energy to making classical music accessible for audiences of all ages and backgrounds and has explored ways to present concerts that fit into the 21st Century. On stage, Hyung-ki Joo enraptures audiences with his jovial and contagious stage presence as well as his energetic, brilliantly virtuosic performance. He takes on various musical roles and develops special projects that present him as pianist, orchestra leader, communicator, arranger, and composer. As a soloist, he has performed with renowned orchestras such as the London Philharmonic Orchestra, the Seoul Philharmonic Orchestra, the Wiener Symphoniker, and the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. An invitation from the Orchestra dell’Accademia Nazionale di Santi Cecilia under Sakari Oramo was a recent highlight of 2023. As a curator, he was invited to conceive the opening of the Wiener Festwochen 2023. As a conductor, he lead the Hong Kong Sinfonietta at the start of season 2023/24 with his project Haydn Seek, conveying the playful spirit of Haydn’s music.  

Hyung-ki Joo’s compositions have been performed by orchestras, ensembles, and soloists, such as the New York Philharmonic, Tonhalle Orchestra Zürich, Komische Oper Berlin Ensemble, Meta4, Emanuel Ax, Tine Thing Helseth, Daniel Hope, Natasha Paremski, Yuja Wang, and recorded by artists such as Shani Diluka, Sun Hee You, and the Ahn Piano Trio. His music is published by Universal Edition and Modern Works.

 

WFIMC: In a few months, you’ll be playing Rachmaninoff’s 2nd Piano Concerto with Deutsche Kammerphilharmonie Bremen. Having heard “Rachmaninoff had big hands” several times, I wonder what will be going on in your mind when you perform this concerto? Do you play with a different mindset, or does it all work together somehow?

Hyung-ki Joo: You know, for me, there's never really been this big divide between what's considered "serious" classical music and the more playful, humorous side of it. Think about composers like Haydn and Mozart—these geniuses spent a lot of their energy creating pieces that were just pure fun, or downright funny. 

WFIMC: Alfred Brendel talks about this too. 

Hyung-ki Joo: Haydn wrote music where the bassoon literally farts! He gave us the Surprise Symphony, the Joke Quartet. Mozart- he composed scatological canons, wrote about farting and pooping, even threw in some cheeky sexual innuendos in various operas. But here's the thing: whether they were being playful or writing something serious like Don Giovanni or The Seven Last Words of Christ, their commitment to excellence never changed. They didn’t lower their compositional standards just because they were writing something “fun”.
And the same for me, whether I’m playing Beethoven or creating a skit where I try to  squeeze all 32 of Beethoven’s piano sonatas in under two minutes, it’s all about the music being in first place. That’s also always been the approach with my duo, Igudesman and Joo. We never performed just to be funny- we had fun with music but never made fun of music. And beneath the fun, each skit or mash-up has always some deeper meaning, which we honestly never cared if the audience understood it or not.

Music for the eyes
I entered the Yehudi Menuhin School when I was ten, and man, was I surrounded by some serious geniuses and prodigies! I started to think, “Okay, maybe I’m not as talented, but nobody loves classical music more than I do.” I had this intense feeling that my love for classical music was unparalleled. But when I went to concerts, I felt like there was this huge gap between the joy and passion of the music and how it was being shared with the audience. Everything seemed so ceremonial, so elitist—people coughing and others shushing them, performers walking on stage like they were entering a tomb, dressed in black and totally disconnected from the audience. The concert resembled a funeral, all so stuffy and claustrophobic that I often felt like leaving. And then I thought, if I, the biggest classical music fan, wanted to leave, how could anyone else enjoy it? That’s when I realized we had a problem. I wanted to make classical music and concerts more accessible and engaging for everyone, especially younger audiences. That’s what inspired me to do what I do, and my whole life’s dream and ambition has been to “move the dinosaur”!
Yes, you’re right that in a few months, I’ll be performing Rachmaninov’s Second Piano Concerto with one of the top orchestras in the world- the Deutsche Kammerphilharmonie Bremen. It’s a high honour for me, and I’m definitely taking it seriously. But the commitment and practice I put into this are exactly the same as what goes into my musical mash-ups and humorous skits. Comedy, after all, is incredibly serious—it requires precision and timing. For musical humor to really be convincing, the playing has to be highest quality. In some ways, it’s been more of a challenge because I have to ensure that my musicianship and performance is on a level that no one can doubt it. I didn’t want anyone saying, “Oh, he’s just doing musical comedy because he can’t play the piano,” or “because he’s not cut out for a classical career.” That’s part of what has made Igudesman & Joo successful, and why prestigious orchestras like the New York Philharmonic and artists like Joshua Bell and Yuja Wang are keen to collaborate with us. They recognize that Aleksey and I are serious musicians who can deliver at a high level.

WFIMC: It’s a bit like Victor Borge—an extraordinary pianist who struggled with conventional concerts but found immense success by doing things his own way. So when he found out that he could do things differently, he would actually have a lot of success. But I am wondering: how did this whole success story of Igudesman and Joo evolve? What was your first performance together, and how did that come together?

Hyung-ki Joo: Our first performance together was back in 1989 at the British Music Information Center. Aleksey had composed a piece that’s now known as the “Bastard Sonata.” We were the final act of the evening, and while we were waiting backstage, we spotted some wine meant for the post-concert reception. We were just 15 or 16 at the time and thought, “Why not?” So you can imagine, we had to have a little taste! The piece has an improvised section where we should go wild, and we went really wild! Maybe the wine might have added a little extra oomph. When we came out of the improvised section, Aleksey was supposed to come in after a few bars, but he was so caught up in the moment that he totally missed his entrance. It was hilarious- at least to us!. But that was our first and last drink before a performance. We learned our lesson.

WFIMC: I’ve seen you in different parts of the world. Audiences have a different sense of humor in, say, Asia, from how audiences would react here in Europe. Does that change the way you perform, the way you project?

Hyung-ki Joo: Absolutely. Every country has its own unique sense of humor. In places like Korea or Japan, irony and sarcasm is not a part of the culture so it would never land the same way it might in Europe or the States. Italy, on the other hand, loves humor using language—France is big on slapstick, which explains why they adore Jerry Lewis. But then, there are these universal elements of humor too—look at Mr. Bean or Charlie Chaplin. Our shows don’t rely heavily on language, but there’s still some language involved. So when we perform in a place like China, we use our material that is closest to that universality of Chaplin or Mr. Bean, which of course, needs no language. At the same time, we always make a real effort to learn local phrases and connect with the audience in their language, even if it’s just a small word or phrase. It’s sometimes very challenging in regards to pronunciation, but even if we screw it up, it’s worth it to make that connection with the public!

WFIMC: Among the artists you perform together with are some people that you would not usually associate with comedy. Take for example Gidon Kremer. How did you come to work together with him?

Hyung-ki Joo: Oh, that was a bit of a surprise for us too! When Gidon Kremer wanted to work with us, we were shocked—in a good way, of course. That started a chain reaction of other serious classical musicians wanting to do something with us. For example, not too long afterwards, we heard that Emanuel Ax was interested in collaborating too. Now, Ax has this reputation as a very serious classical musician, you know, performing Haydn and Beethoven with people like Yo-Yo Ma. But the next thing you know, we’re all invited to perform at Bernard Haitink’s 85th birthday, and the three of us are goofing around, chasing each other around the piano, and most people had never seen Ax in that light. Haitink wrote us something unforgettable after his party- “Aleksey Igudesman and Hyung-ki Joo played at my 80th birthday celebrations. I nearly died laughing. I’d like to invite them back for my 85th, but that might be considered reckless… Great musicians, great fun.”
I just performed a few months ago at the Vienna State Opera with Asmik Grigorian- an opera singer who is celebrated for her serious and dramatic roles. The two of us created and performed a show called, “A Diva is Born”, and if I may be honest with you, the Vienna Staatsoper had never experienced something like this before. It was a revolution of sorts, full of theatrical surprises, critical satire, and a lot of humour.  

Asmik Grigorian
With Asmik Grigorian at the Vienna Staatsoper (©Michael Pöhn)

As for Gidon, there’s a short story and a longer story. The short story is that he saw us at the Bergen Festival where he was performing with Kremerata Baltica. We had the late-night spot, and after he finished his concert, he came over to check out ours. Afterwards, he came backstage and said, “I’d like to invite you to come to my Lockenhaus festival,” which was only a few weeks later. And then, while we were at Lockenhaus, he asked us, “How would you like to do something together with me and work with my orchestra?” So, we ended up working with him for about three years, creating and touring shows together. Like many classical musicians, Gidon might not come across as having a funny persona, but he has an incredibly curious mind. He knows so much about all kinds of things—whether it's theater, movies, humor, literature, or poetry. We found that our worlds had a lot of common points, and he was so open to trying so many things outside of his comfort zone. Very admirable, and I learnt a lot from that experience.

©Julia Wesely

WFIMC: Any episodes?

Hyung-ki Joo: Oh, plenty! But since this is a public interview, I'll save those stories for you after the recording is turned off.

WFIMC:  Okay, we’ll change the subject, for now. As Robert Koenig (of the Palm Springs Competition) just said, you’re “crossing over to the dark side of the business,” working for competitions. You are the new Artistic Director of the Menuhin Competition. Your school, the Menuhin School, is an obvious connection, but how did this appointment happen?

Hyung-ki Joo: Yeah, I can see why people might think of competitions as the "dark side." They often serve as a necessary evil, but I think they can also do a lot of good if approached in the right way. Even Darth Vader did something good in the end, right?
The Menuhin Competition is really special, though. It’s a competition for young violinists, and many of its laureates have gone on to have successful careers. It’s probably the premier competition for junior violinists aged 11 to 16. But as a pianist and composer, I’ve always been more on the creative and recreative side of things and so I’ve looked at competitions as something that can be a bit problematic—where there is often too much focus on technical perfection and not enough on artistry or individuality.
When the Menuhin Competition board approached me, they were looking to reboot things and have a fresh approach, especially after the challenges of COVID. They wanted to create a competition that reflects the needs of today’s world. We don’t need another violinist who can play the Paganini Caprices flawlessly but has no idea how to be a good chamber musician or lead an orchestra. Menuhin himself was much more than just a violinist—he was a bridge between musical worlds. He collaborated with jazz musicians, Indian musicians like Ravi Shankar, and even performed with Duke Ellington. He founded a school and an academy, invented Live Music Now, and was active in human rights issues. So in that spirit, we’re looking for young violinists who will do something innovative and meaningful with their talent.
Some of the board members knew me as a creative person and someone who’s passionate about education and the next generation of musicians. So when they pitched their ideas to me, and told me what they expected from me, I jumped on board right away. I’ve always cared deeply about the state of music education, and I love working with young musicians, so this was a perfect fit.


WFIMC: Will there be similarities between the Cleveland competition and the Menuhin Competition?


Hyung-ki Joo: Oh, absolutely! There’s definitely a shared spirit between them. It’s funny how some ideas overlap, but then again, it’s not surprising since Yaron Kohlberg and I have similar visions and dreams. For example, just like in Cleveland, we’re planning to have the competitors at the Menuhin Competition play with each other. It’s a great way to show them that the world isn’t always about competition; sometimes, you’ve got to collaborate with others, even those you might not be best friends with.
And just like in Cleveland, we’ll push the violinists out of their classical comfort zones. We’re going to have them perform with a jazz trio. It’s not about turning them into jazz musicians; it’s about giving them a taste of a different musical world, a different way to groove, a different sound. It’s all about broadening their horizons and helping them grow as musicians. My goal is that every violinist who takes part is enriched in a powerful way, regardless of what their outcome is.  

with Zamira Menuhin (2017)

WFIMC: Menuhin’s daughter recently passed away. Did you have a personal relationship with her or the family?

Hyung-ki Joo: Yes, I did have the chance to meet Zamira Menuhin a few times. Even though our interactions were limited, we actually tackled some pretty serious stuff together. She was a special person, deeply devoted to her father’s legacy. It is sad to lose her, especially since she was so involved with the competition until recently. Her presence and passion will be missed deeply.

WFIMC: When is the next Menuhin Competition planned for?

Hyung-ki Joo: We’re launching in April 2026, and it’s going to be in Geneva. After having to shift online for the Richmond, VA event in 2021, we’re thrilled to return to Geneva. We’re looking at a biennial competition, but from now on, it’ll be focused solely on junior violinists. However, we’re also introducing something new: the “Menuhin Fellowship.” This is for a slightly older group, around 17 to 27, and we are looking for violinists with a unique and creative vision. The fellowship is all about supporting those visionaries who want to push the boundaries of music and the violin’s role in society. We’ll help them with mentorship, creative support, logistical guidance, and even mentor them with practical skills like stage presence, how to use their speaking voice, financial management, health and nutrition. Something I wish that more conservatories would equip musicians with. It’s like a one-year, tailor-made academy to help each fellow with whatever they need to blossom.

WFIMC: Lastly, another question about yourself. Did you participate in any competitions as a young pianist?

Hyung-ki Joo: Yes, I did. I entered a few competitions, but only had a few successes and mostly faced rejections. The rejections where I had sent in a recording or video, I could deal with. But what was really frustrating was not even getting past the application form stage, even with strong recommendations from people like Richard Goode, Byron Janis and Yehudi Menuhin. I mean, what did I need more to impress those application form reviewers- a recommendation letter from God? Very puzzling… 
But there were great moments too. I remember being thrilled to compete in the Parkhouse International Chamber Music Competition with my piano trio. I was already in my very early 30’s so this was one of the last chances for me to compete. It was a fantastic experience, and  winning it felt really amazing!
Interestingly, one of my best competition experiences came from being eliminated. At the UNISA competition in Pretoria, I didn’t advance after the first rounds, but I ended up on a road trip with three other fellow non-advancers. We took a little road trip around South Africa together, and it turned into a great bonding experience. So, while I didn’t make the finals or win a prize, I gained three lifelong friends. And a few months later, I had the honour to perform Beethoven’s 4th Piano Concerto with Yehudi Menuhin conducting for his 80th birthday concert in London. Thanks to being eliminated, I had some extra time to learn the concerto, which I really needed, and it turned out to be one of my most important and unforgettable experiences!

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